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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about what you&#039;ve written here, and though I&#039;ll probably talk to you about it in person some time, I wanted to say a couple of things here.

1) I don&#039;t always write exactly what I mean - in fact, sometimes I write to &lt;i&gt;figure out&lt;/i&gt; what I mean.  Or what I&#039;m not sure about...  So what I wrote here wasn&#039;t well thought out, or even really coherant.  =)

2) I grew up in a lot of different churches, and never got a clear idea about how things like this were supposed to work.  I remember hearing it preached, once, though, that treating people like tax collectors and pagans meant turning your back and looking for someone more... malleable.  That never sat right with me.  I don&#039;t like the idea of turning on someone and leaving them behind.  I much rather like what you&#039;ve said, the light that you&#039;ve shown here.  That Jesus wouldn&#039;t have done anything like that...  that gives me peace about this passage.  And hope - that if I ever mess up, there&#039;ll be forgiveness and love.  =) 

So, thanks for what you wrote.  I&#039;m sorry I didn&#039;t respond sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about what you&#8217;ve written here, and though I&#8217;ll probably talk to you about it in person some time, I wanted to say a couple of things here.</p>
<p>1) I don&#8217;t always write exactly what I mean &#8211; in fact, sometimes I write to <i>figure out</i> what I mean.  Or what I&#8217;m not sure about&#8230;  So what I wrote here wasn&#8217;t well thought out, or even really coherant.  =)</p>
<p>2) I grew up in a lot of different churches, and never got a clear idea about how things like this were supposed to work.  I remember hearing it preached, once, though, that treating people like tax collectors and pagans meant turning your back and looking for someone more&#8230; malleable.  That never sat right with me.  I don&#8217;t like the idea of turning on someone and leaving them behind.  I much rather like what you&#8217;ve said, the light that you&#8217;ve shown here.  That Jesus wouldn&#8217;t have done anything like that&#8230;  that gives me peace about this passage.  And hope &#8211; that if I ever mess up, there&#8217;ll be forgiveness and love.  =) </p>
<p>So, thanks for what you wrote.  I&#8217;m sorry I didn&#8217;t respond sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: Dad A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dad A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is indeed a difficult situation to deal with in the life of the church. Thanks for sharing it. 

You wrote, &quot;Maybe others would follow the Matthew 18 guidelines to the letter (one-on-one, group-on-one, church-on-one, then removal from church) and say they did their duty.&quot;

I&#039;m concerned about the phrase, &quot;then removal from church.&quot; That&#039;s not what Matt 18 actually says. It says, &quot;treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.&quot;
And I have to ask how did JESUS treat pagans and tax collectors? He didn&#039;t kick them out - he loved them, went to eat in their homes, continued to try to restore them. Think about that. :-)

And then, most of us who refer to Matt 18 stop at v. 17. But if we read on to vv. 19-20, we find Jesus&#039; famous promise that he will be there whenever 2 or 3 meet in his name. So the promise is that he will help resolve conflicted situations such as the one your church is in.

I&#039;m thankful that the deacons are praying fervently and seeking to love this user. My prayer is that the situation will be resolved to the glory of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is indeed a difficult situation to deal with in the life of the church. Thanks for sharing it. </p>
<p>You wrote, &#8220;Maybe others would follow the Matthew 18 guidelines to the letter (one-on-one, group-on-one, church-on-one, then removal from church) and say they did their duty.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned about the phrase, &#8220;then removal from church.&#8221; That&#8217;s not what Matt 18 actually says. It says, &#8220;treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.&#8221;<br />
And I have to ask how did JESUS treat pagans and tax collectors? He didn&#8217;t kick them out &#8211; he loved them, went to eat in their homes, continued to try to restore them. Think about that. :-)</p>
<p>And then, most of us who refer to Matt 18 stop at v. 17. But if we read on to vv. 19-20, we find Jesus&#8217; famous promise that he will be there whenever 2 or 3 meet in his name. So the promise is that he will help resolve conflicted situations such as the one your church is in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful that the deacons are praying fervently and seeking to love this user. My prayer is that the situation will be resolved to the glory of God.</p>
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